God and the
Problem of
Self-Contradicting
Concepts
As much as
one might like
to believe in
God, if
something is
self-contradictory,
then it cannot
exist. The
following
concepts of God
are
self-contradictory
and renders
those concepts
to be
impossible.
God is all
powerful
Creating and
designing things
requires
decisions to be
made. One
cannot make
decisions
without
motivating
factors
(There have to be reasons why
someone "wants" to
do one thing
more than
another.).
These factors
are the result
of prior
conditioning and
the constraints
that such
conditioning
imposes.
A God without
prior
conditioning
would have no
desire, nor
constrains.
Constraints
allow one to
choose what is
most practical
or achievable
over all
fathomable
alternatives.
Without
constrains
everything is
equally possible, thus
there would be
no motive
produced from
having to choose
as to what is
the best
alternative.
An all powerful
God would be
locked into a
state of equal
motivation to do
all things, thus
not be able to
do a thing.
This fact is overlooked by
most people,
even atheists, and
deserves an
example to make
it clear:
Suppose you are trying to
decide whether
to go on
vacation to
Hawaii or
Antarctica.
This would
normally be an
easy choice, and
naturally the
vast majority of
people would
decide on Hawaii
because it's just
too cold in
Antarctica.
However, if you
were all
powerful you
could make
Antarctica warm
and put a great
beach there.
You could also
just turn
yourself into a
penguin and
enjoy the
freezing cold.
Without
constraints all
scenarios become
equally possible
and equally desirable, thus
no choice as to
what you should
do could be
made if you
happen to be all
powerful.
We can
actually see
lack of decision
making power in
people who have
few constraints.
Adolf Hitler
made poor
decisions in
fighting WW II
because he
became too
powerful.
Just a simple
thing like his
right to sleep
and not be
disturbed, and
at the same time
his right to
make all war
decisions
spelled the
German army's
defeat at the
invasion of
Normandy.
His generals
were afraid to
wake him, so he
could send
reinforcements;
and they were to
afraid to take
charge and send
reinforcements
on their own, so
no decision
could be make to
thwart the
invasion.
Several Roman
emperors went
virtually crazy
from having too
much power.
Lack of
restraints
causes chaos.
Complete lack of
restrains from
having complete
power would
result in
complete chaos,
or just no
decision
capability at
all.
In coming to
terms with this
reality some theists
argue that God
can turn off his
all powerful
ability for some
specific reason.
For example, in
creating Adam
and Eve, it is
often argued
that God would
have known
beforehand what
Adam and Eve
would do, so how
could he have
chosen to give
them a test --
why bother?
Christians
sometimes say that
God apparently
turned his power
of premonition
off to allow for
the test and so Adam and
Eve could be
free to do as
they wish apart
from God's will.
However, choosing to turn
off his
omnipotence and
thus create
constrains
constitutes a decision
that he would
have to make.
If he is already
in a state of
non-motivation by
not having any
constrains, then
he would never
have the ability
to decide to turn off his
omnipotence.
In order to make
decisions, he
would always
have to have
some of his
omnipotent
powers turned
off, thus he
could never be
all powerful.
If he is never
all powerful,
then he cannot
be determined to
in fact be all powerful.
In relation
to the vacation
scenario, God would need
to turn off some
of his power, so
as to produce
unequal
motivating
options to allow
for a
decision.
However, there
would be no
greater benefit
in turning off
his power to
change Hawaii
into Antarctica,
than there would
be to turn off
his power to
just go to
Hawaii. He
could never
decide which
power to turn
off.
Let's examine
the issue of
being all
powerful and
lack of decision
making power in
relation to Adam
and Eve and
original sin.
We have a
problem right
off the bat
because God
would have
needed some type of conditioning
that would have
made him want to
create living
things, but an
powerful God
could not have
had conditioning,
since that would
have limited his
powers.
But anyway,
let's just
assume that
there is just
something that
god's have - an
innate desire to
create.
From all
fathomable
alternatives he
would have had
to have had some
ideas of what to
create. In
order to have
ideas
he would have
had to impose
constraints upon
himself to help
him decide.
But, in
determining what
constrains he
should impose
upon himself he
would have had
to already know
what he wanted
to create.
It just becomes
a vicious
circle.
Let's just
continue anyway
and say somehow
he got to a
point where he
actually wanted
to create human
beings, so he
creates two
people which he
names Adam and
Eve.
An all powerful
God wouldn't
even have been
able to decide
on the names,
because he would
have needed
constraints to
allow him to
choose two names
over all others.
Anyway, then he decides
to give
them a test of
obedience to see
what
qualities they
possess, but
first turns off
his power to
foretell the
future because
if he knows what
will happen he
might intervene
and change the
outcome by
forcing his
newly created
people to do as
he wishes, and
then his creation would
have no
"free-will"
apart from him.
Of course, even
if God did not
directly make
them behave in a
certain way, he
made them behave
in a certain way
indirectly by
the genetics
traits he gave
them and the
conditioning he
gave them, so
for all intents
and purposes
they had no free
will apart from
God anyway.
Now, if there
if
there was ever a
time when he was
omniscient then
he would have
already known
the outcome, so
he would have
had to have
turned off his
omniscient power
from the
beginning of
time, making him
eternally not all
powerful.
Anyway, he later finds
out that they
failed the test,
were
disobedient, and
punishes them.
If God were all
powerful, he
could have just kept
himself from
intervening by
changing any
other constrains
that would have
cause him to not
intervene, but
that would not
have been
possible since
any alternative
set of
constraints
would have led
to exactly the
same outcome,
thus no choice
could have been
made.
Anything that is
all powerful
will just have
no motivation to
do one thing
more than
another because
all alternatives
will ultimate
lead to the same
outcome based
upon what is
desired in the
first place.
And, nothing
even could have
been desired in
the first place
if there has not
been some kind
of prior
conditioning.
Decision making
power comes from
all
conditioning
that exists up to the point
of the decision,
which excludes
the possibility
of anything being all
powerful, since
conditioning
will always give
one constraints.
Any plausible
concept of God
would have to be
that he is very
powerful, but
not all
powerful.
God is all
knowing
Being all
knowing implies
that God would
know his own
thoughts and
actions
beforehand.
He therefore
would be forever
caught in a
mental feed-back
loop of
reasoning, but
already knowing
the outcome of
such reasoning, and
basing his
thoughts upon
the outcome.
This would
automatically
lock God's mind
up into a steady
state pool of
knowledge that
just exists all
at once, which
is in essence
God being
pure "Logic"
like what we
have postulated.
God is eternal
Anything that
exists right now
and is eternal
would of had to
have experienced
eternity going
backwards in
time.
Nothing can
realize eternity
because eternity
is boundless --
not even a
spirit being.
Therefore,
God cannot be
eternal.
Some say God
exists outside
of time.
This is more
possible, but
would render God
to be incapable
of doing
anything that
requires time,
such as
thinking,
designing, and
creating.
Anything that's
doing any
designing is
just something
that neither
requires time or
space, again we
are left with a
static state
mind, or logic
itself.
What can God
be? Very
powerful, but
not all
powerful; and
not able to
perceive the
future; and is
not eternal,
unless it lives
outside of the
time space
continuum; and
of course must
have proper
conditioning in
order to want to
create things,
and of course
must be capable
of creating
things out of
nothing.
So does this
describe any
concept of God
that people
have? No.
Perhaps some
sort of Alien
being?? A
steady state
mind that
consist of just
logical
deductions of
what must exist
and happen seems
to be the only
answer. In
other words the
universe in just
natural.
Nothing really
created it.
It just exists
and functions in
a way it has to,
and there is no
real God being
in any
traditional
sense.
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