Unlike Santa Clause
and the Tooth Fairy,
which were imagined
purely for fun, the
concept of God does have
some logical
underpinnings. The
strongest reasons to
support the God concept
are:
1) Everything
needs a cause.
Causality requires time.
Time could not have gone
on forever in the past,
for if there had been an
infinite period of time
to traverse we could
never have gotten to
now. Thus, there
had to have been an
entity that was not a
"thing." There
must have been at some
point in the past an
uncaused cause, which is
irrational -- not a
thing, not something
that can be understood
that gave a definite
beginning to our
universe.
2) The universe is
extremely complex.
It operates by 20
precise constants, which
if any were to change by
even a small amount the
entire universe would
cease to function in any
meaningful way.
Furthermore, all
material objects from
the atom to humans are
incredibly complex.
These facts strongly
indicate a designer with
a supreme intellect.
Therefore, we are
left with the necessity
of a creative, thinking,
intellect that is
extremely powerful and
exists in an irrational
manner outside of time,
actually created time
and everything else that
is known to us,
including us. We
have God -- the prime
mover -- the prime
cause, and the master
designer.
Asking questions such
as "Where did God come
from?" or "Who made
God?" are oxymoronic
because the very reason
for the belief in the
first place is that
there must be some
entity that cannot be
understood.
So is there really a
God?
Perhaps
unfortunately, but actually no; the
above leads one to an illusion
of God.
We imagine an all
powerful creative being
because intelligent
beings that make things,
like us, is what we are
familiar with - we
project our
characteristics in a way
so as to fill our void
of knowledge. All
the above can logically
lead to is that the
universe and life are
difficult to understand.
How do we know there
is no God? Some
say it can't be proven
or disproven; and a
principle of logic is
that you can't prove a
negative. A
belief in something that
is not provable or
falsifiable through
experimentation or
observation is relegated
to the world of
imagination -- with
disbelief being what is
logically preferred, but
not necessarily untrue;
something imaginary
could in fact be true.
However, because
something is not
falsifiable though
experimentation
does it mean it cannot be
disproven. Any
concept that is
self-contradictory can be disproven through
logic alone, thus it
being non-falsifiable
through experimentation
or observation is moot.
One does not need to
disprove something that
simply "cannot be."
One does not need to
prove there are no
square circles, for
instance. The
attributes given to the
God of the Bible
represent
self-contradictions and
thus render the God of
the Bible to not be
actual.
Some
self-contradictions
pertaining to the
Biblical God:
1) All powerful ~
Nothing that is truly
all powerful could be
motivated to do one
thing more than another
because no choice from
all fathomable
alternatives could be
considered more
convenient or desirable than any
other choice. Any
"Being" that is all
powerful would have no
motivation and could not
do a thing because he
could accomplish
anything in an infinite
number of ways with
equal ease. It is
our very lack of power
that instills needs,
determines choices, and
in-turn motivate us to
act.
2) Made all things, but
is not responsible ~ We
are told that the first
two people on earth
disobeyed God and were
punished and we all
inherited their sin.
God being the prime
mover, would be the
prime cause. He
would have made all
effects and all affects.
It would be utterly
impossible to not be the
direct conscious cause
of everything that would
occur in a universe of
your own creation and
design. The very
idea of a conscious
prime mover
would make the very idea
of
sin
itself impossible, as
well as atonement to God
for wrong-doing because
any intelligent prime
mover would be the
ultimate knowing cause
of everything. God
would in fact have to
atone to us for
his mismanagement.
3) Knows all things ~
Any intelligent being
who knows all things
would know what he
himself is going to do
in the future, so that
would negate his own
ability to decide what
to do.
4) God is eternal ~
Nothing can have existed
forever, not even time
itself. If the
past had been infinitely
long then that endless
time would have been
impossible to traverse
to get to now.
Nothing can be infinite,
not even God.
If God exists outside of
time and created it, then
he could not have had
time to work within it to
do anything.
A being that is all
powerful and who created
us and the universe, and
to whom we must atone
for wrong doing is
simply a mythological
belief and does not in
fact exist. People
tend to personify what
they do not understand,
and thus far have
invented over 30,000
gods, nearly all of
which assume human form
and traits.
Human's were not made in
God's image, he was made
in ours -- though the
mere belief in something
can be as significant as
the fact of its
existence.
Aside from the God of
the Bible, could there
be any supreme intellect
that created all things?
The answer to that is
not unless one believed
that such a being is the
ultimate knowing cause
of all that happens,
which logically is what
he or it would have
to be.
In all fairness the logic we
began with needs to be
dealt with. There must
be some factors that are
in some sense god-like,
and difficult to
understand, but probably
not actually
incomprehensible.
Nature itself is
presently beyond our
full understanding, and
someday we may have a
better understanding.
Perhaps the universe
creates itself in a
sense by revolving in
and out of time.
The 20 constants that
control the universe may
in fact be ultimately
related and just find a
natural equilibrium,
which is exactly what is
postulated in string
theory.
The complexity found in
nature may be due to an
ongoing processes of
evolution based upon
fundamental principles
of logic that just must
occur, and it all occurs
out of ultimate
necessity because
nothingness is
impossible.
The God-Being we imagine
was born from
logic dressed
in fantasy.
The only true God can
only be the dictates of
logic, the reality of
what must be, which we will
come to have a better
understanding of as time
goes by.
~Brother Mark
"I contend that we are
both atheists. I just
believe
in one fewer god than
you do. When you
understand why you
dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss
yours." --
Stephen Roberts Christianity as antiquity.-- When
we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we
ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a Jew,
crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God's son?
The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the
Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times
from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is
believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining
pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this
heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a
sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but
look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a
justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice;
someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers
for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a
god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is
the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that
no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross --
how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a
primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still
believed?
from Nietzsche's Human, all too
Human, s.405, R.J. Hollingdale transl
When irrationalists such
as Christian
fundamentalists claim
they do not believe in
the idols of pagans
because such beliefs are
nonsense and fruitless,
but invent their own
invisible one, then that
also makes them
hypocrites. One
idol is made of plaster
and imagination, while
the other -- just
imagination. What
is the difference other
than saving on the cost
of plaster? Do we
have any evidence that
the invisible one does
any more than the
plaster one? And,
what is the conceptual
difference? Would
the real plaster one
fail to spring into
action if you mistakenly
pray to the false
invisible one, or would
the real invisible one
fail to spring into
action just because you
mistakenly pray to the
false plaster one.
If one believes in God,
then what's in a name?
Is a real God going to
refuse to save you, just
because you got his name
wrong and called him
Zeus instead of God or
Jehovah. Everyone
who believes in a deity
is either all correct or
all wrong. There
is either a supreme
Being or there isn't.
Brother Mark
Argument for the
non-existence of God
Argument from evil:
There is a large amount
of suffering and evil in
the world. This is
incompatible with the
existence of an
infinitely good,
omnipotent God;
therefore, God does not
exist.
Argument from
delusion/superstition:
There is a lot of
evidence suggesting
religious belief in
deities is merely
superstition or false
belief originating in
the complexity of the
human mind.
Argument from evidence:
There is little or no
evidence to suggest that
a being with the
properties of God can
exist. Therefore it is
more likely than not a
God doesn't exist.
Argument from
'projection': God is
merely a mental concept
upon which we project
our hopes, fears,
emotions and beliefs.
God therefore exists
only in mind, but not in
reality.
Argument from
materialism/naturalism:
The material/natural
world is all there is,
or at least, all we can
know. God therefore is
at least unnecessary, or
at most, non-existent.
Argument from
morality/meaning: One
can live a perfectly
moral and meaningful
life without referring
to any God. Therefore
the existence or concept
of such a being is not
needed in moral conduct.
Argument from
comparative religion:
There are countless
religions in the world
that posit the existence
of one God, many Gods,
or no Gods. They cannot
all be right. Therefore,
if your religion is
wrong, and another is
right, your God doesn't
exist. Or, compared to
another religion, your
claims about God are
nonsensical. Therefore,
your God's existence can
be ignored, or treated
as an act of faith.
The argument from
'agnosticism': We cannot
prove the existence of
any God(s), therefore,
we can get along as best
we can without one, or
suspend judgment until
we find better evidence.
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